Kopekemaster Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Well, after reading several posts about similar problems, I decided to join this site. I seem to have a rather un-solvable problem, though. I have Windows 8 Release Preview, but for those of you who don't have experience with that OS, it is pretty much the same as Windows 7 in terms of troubleshooting. One thing that I have found though is that in "Run in compatibility mode for:" area, I only have options for 95, 98/Me, XP SP2, XP SP3, Vista, Vista SP2, Vista SP3, and Windows 7. I have tried multiple options with the -* flags (-direct3d, -best, -window, etc.). I have put the d3drm.dll file from the internet, as well as from the disk, in the System and System32 folders. I have also run D3DIAG and replaced the files it says were "missing". I have tried running it in Admin mode, but nothing has worked. I am able to start the program (most of the times) and it loads and goes to the menu screen, but everything is very...glitchy, to say the least. I get about 1 or 2 FPS. I even tried to start a level, and it loaded, but very glitchy. My computer should have no problem running it. It has 1 gig of RAM, a 2.8 GHz Celeron D processor, and a NVidia Quadro NVS 280 with 64 megs of on-board RAM. It works fine too, I have no problem running Bionicle the Game, CFS3, LEGO Indiana Jones (though it is a bit slow), much newer games than RR. Can anyone help? It would be so good to get this game from my childhood back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I didn't know someone would try to run the game in windows 8 so soon. Well here are some questions I have heard in the past. Did you try to run it in one of the compatibility modes? What version of the game are you using? Are you running in full screen or windowed mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redacted Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I know how to solve the problem! DOWNGRADE TO WINDOWS 7 OR XP! noghiri, lol username, s0d3rb3rg and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Elite- Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Well, the Release Preview has been out for a while and Windows 8 was officially released today. Anyways, do you know how to set up an emulator for Windows XP? That's the only thing I can think of if compatibility settings won't work. It's tough but will be able to run those older games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addictgamer Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Tried playing around with clglen.exe? Every tried RR on that computer in the past? (For example, having had windows 7 installed prior to 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cirevam Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Tried playing around with clglen.exe? Please stop suggesting this. All CLgen does is apply shortcut properties. I believe the two default options allow -fvf (fog effects) and -ftm (no lighting effects on textures). -ftm supposedly uses all available texture memory in the GPU so I fail to see how that would help. Kopekemaster might try looking at his graphics card's settings. Disable any and all fancy effects for LRR and see if that changes anything. You might also try running LRR without the graphics card at all. My nVidia GPU lets me do that so it should for you too. Right-click LRR, select Run with graphics processor then choose Integrated Graphics. Lair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Did you try to run it in one of the compatibility modes? One thing that I have found though is that in "Run in compatibility mode for:" area, I only have options for 95, 98/Me, XP SP2, XP SP3, Vista, Vista SP2, Vista SP3, and Windows 7. Please read before making a reply. What version of the game are you using? Versions? To the OP (I think I've seen you on BZP), I can't tell if you mean glitchy in graphics or gameplay, If it's the former then try what Cirevam said, if the latter...what Elite said. What exactly was glitching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 It's an interesting problem alright. Because you're using a nVIDIA, I'm going to assume you have not created a profile in the settings console. Do you have an onboard graphics card or something other than the nVIDIA you can use instead (such as Intel Grapics)? The slower option may work better for compatibility. I'll get back to you when I develop a working profile for the game, but I'm using 7, and it might be a tech gap between 7 and 8 which is causing this issue, not the graphics settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Did you try to run it in one of the compatibility modes? Please read before making a reply. What version of the game are you using? Versions? Okay first of all if you keep doing this I will start reporting you. The first question you list applies to if he actually tried one of the modes which he didn't state if he did or not. He might not have known which to try and didn't bother with them. The second question you so ignorantly listed applies to what release of the game he has. Is it 95/98 or XP? Why don't you start reading into peoples questions instead of always assuming that they are asking a stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrMasterModelBuilder Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 My computer should have no problem running it. It has 1 gig of RAM, a 2.8 GHz Celeron D processor, and a NVidia Quadro NVS 280 with 64 megs of on-board RAM. 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. McJobless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McJobless Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. I over looked this, but Jr has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. I over looked this, but Jr has a point. No, it's not that, because, as I said, I am able to play LEGO Indy, LEGO Harry Potter, and other much newer and cpu- and RAM- draining games. Did you try to run it in one of the compatibility modes? One thing that I have found though is that in "Run in compatibility mode for:" area, I only have options for 95, 98/Me, XP SP2, XP SP3, Vista, Vista SP2, Vista SP3, and Windows 7. Please read before making a reply. What version of the game are you using? Versions? To the OP (I think I've seen you on BZP), I can't tell if you mean glitchy in graphics or gameplay, If it's the former then try what Cirevam said, if the latter...what Elite said. What exactly was glitching? Yes, I am also on BZP. Well, I get around 1 fps, and it kinda looks like when I installed LEGO Racers without a graphics card. It kinda, well, emulated the graphics I think. Yes, I have tried some of the Compatibility settings (I think I tried 95, 98, XP SP3, and Vista). Tried playing around with clglen.exe? Every tried RR on that computer in the past? (For example, having had windows 7 installed prior to 8) What's clglen.exe? Well, no. I got this computer recently, and didn't feel like spending 100 bucks for XP or Win7. Oh, and Win8 Release Preview is a beta version, for those of you who didn't know. Oh dear, I hope multi-quoting like this isn't against the rules. Edited October 27, 2012 by Cirevam Multi-quoting is fine. You can quote up to ten people (I think) before the forum software makes you stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. What. That's stupid. Well, I get around 1 fps, and it kinda looks like when I installed LEGO Racers without a graphics card. It kinda, well, emulated the graphics I think. I don't know what that looks like... Do you have or are you able to take a screenshot of it? What's clglen.exe? Go to where Rock Raiders is installed and there is a program there called CLGen.exe. All it does is mess with the fog and shading settings though. Okay first of all if you keep doing this I will start reporting you. The first question you list applies to if he actually tried one of the modes which he didn't state if he did or not. He might not have known which to try and didn't bother with them. The second question you so ignorantly listed applies to what release of the game he has. Is it 95/98 or XP? Why don't you start reading into peoples questions instead of always assuming that they are asking a stupid question. Ah, I misread what he originally said. Sorry Yeah, it's definitely ignorant of me to not think of those when you said "version." The XP release isn't a different version, it's just a re-release. Most of the ones that say "XP Compatible" had little or nothing changed, and some of them aren't even XP compatible. But again, I misunderstood. You should have made it more clear, though. I want proof that I always assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrMasterModelBuilder Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. I over looked this, but Jr has a point. No, it's not that, because, as I said, I am able to play LEGO Indy, LEGO Harry Potter, and other much newer and cpu- and RAM- draining games. Yes, but newer games are also better optimized for newer hardware. Unfortunately, the only way to know for sure would be to test it. It is the 32-bit version of Windows 8 you are using right? 1GB of RAM is the minimum required by Windows 8 32-bit. It may not be the problem, but that would be my guess. What. That's stupid. Umm, what's stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 Yes, it is 32 bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Umm, what's stupid? That it would require that much RAM to run an OS. I just think that it should be designed to use as little as possible so that the user doesn't have half his memory sucked up by background processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Umm, what's stupid? That it would require that much RAM to run an OS. I just think that it should be designed to use as little as possible so that the user doesn't have half his memory sucked up by background processes. Have you seen Windows 8? Like actually seen it? It is so far ahead of windows 7 that a lot of hardware for windows 7 will have problems working with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lair Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Umm, what's stupid? That it would require that much RAM to run an OS. I just think that it should be designed to use as little as possible so that the user doesn't have half his memory sucked up by background processes. Have you seen Windows 8? Like actually seen it? It is so far ahead of windows 7 that a lot of hardware for windows 7 will have problems working with it. Another reason it's destined to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic322 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Umm, what's stupid? That it would require that much RAM to run an OS. I just think that it should be designed to use as little as possible so that the user doesn't have half his memory sucked up by background processes. Have you seen Windows 8? Like actually seen it? It is so far ahead of windows 7 that a lot of hardware for windows 7 will have problems working with it. Another reason it's destined to fail. Actually it's going to be a huge success when they get the hardware standards to the level they need to be at. That should take to long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Actually it's going to be a huge success when they get the hardware standards to the level they need to be at. That should take to long. Sorry but Windows 8 is the new Windows Vista for a lot of reasons. However if you wish to argue such reasons please create another topic and leave this one to helping the OP. Brigs, Lair and McJobless 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrem Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Kopekemaster, I installed Windows 8 to see if I could replicate your issues, I get the same FPS issue and stuttering graphics. Do this: - Install Directx 6 (Old, but has some dll's RR uses) - Set compatibility mode to Windows XP SP3. - Enable 'Reduce colour mode' and set that to 16bit. - Run the game from the executable (not shortcut) and select 'Windowed' mode. Running the game in fullscreen causes the lag, in windowed it's fine. Woeler1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 Thank you. But how exactly do I install DX6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoctor Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Thank you. But how exactly do I install DX6? On the disk, run ..DirectX6DirectX6Directxdinstall.exe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 When I launch that, a window pops up then instantly closes. Does it mean I already have DX6 installed? Edit: Apparently it does! I followed Cyrem's instructions and it works! Thank you all so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woeler1 Posted July 14, 2013 Share Posted July 14, 2013 Kopekemaster, I installed Windows 8 to see if I could replicate your issues, I get the same FPS issue and stuttering graphics. Do this: - Install Directx 6 (Old, but has some dll's RR uses) - Set compatibility mode to Windows XP SP3. - Enable 'Reduce colour mode' and set that to 16bit. - Run the game from the executable (not shortcut) and select 'Windowed' mode. Running the game in fullscreen causes the lag, in windowed it's fine. Great! Thanks that worked. I just have one problem now. My screen is 1920x1080 and my rockraiders window is very small. Too small to play comfortably actually. As soon as my mouse touches the RR window it disappears (into the game). This means I can't use the mouse to make the window bigger. Any suggestions on how to do that? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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