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I Do Not Agree - Round 2

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And we're back for another episode of "I Don't Agree To The EULA"! Let's meet today's game:

LEGO® Batman™ 2: DC Super Heroes

Let's cut right to the chase and read the WB Games EULA, shall we? (A copy is located under EULA.rtf)

1. Limited License

a. You may not sell, license or transfer the Game, or any reproductions thereof, to any person or entity;

b. You may not modify the Game or any portion thereof;

c. You may not copy, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Game or any portion thereof;

d. You may not develop, distribute or use any third party program designed to impact the Game experience, including without limitation software bots, cheats, hacks or any other software designed to provide a player with an advantage;

e. You may not exploit the Game, or any portion thereof, for any commercial purpose;

f. You may not connect to the Service except by using an authorized, unmodified Game as set forth herein; or

g. You may not use the Game to connect to any server or service other than the Service.

2. Term

You may terminate this EULA at any time by permanently destroying all copies of the Game and related documentation in your possession, including without limitation any and all Games installed on computers under your custody or control.

Upon termination of this Agreement, you must destroy all copies of the Game and related documentation in your possession, including without limitation any and all Games installed on

computers under your custody or control.

4. Consent to Monitor. When the Game is running, WB Games may monitor your computer for the use of programs that violate Section 1. You hereby grant WB Games permission to monitor your computer for purposes of identifying such use and communicating potential violations to WB Games.

So, what does all this mean?

  • I cannot sell the game to anyone else (if anyone wants it, they must buy it from the store, not me or eBay or Amazon).
  • I cannot mod the game.
  • I cannot extact the .dat files and see what is in them, nor can I attempt to figure out whar kind of files are in them.
  • I cannot use or create cheat codes or programs.
  • I cannot use the game to sell my line of bar soap ("It's so good, even LEGO Batman uses it!" :P).
  • I cannot play online with an modded game.
  • I cannot play on any fan-made server. I can only play on the Server.
  • If I do not agree, I must destroy the game and all related items (video recordings) and any of my computers, or computers under my usage.
  • Restating of line directly above this one.
  • I agree to let WB monitor my PC and all its acttivity and programs to make sure I am not running anything that violates Section 1.

This game is awesome, let me tell you. I only have the demo, but I would buy the full game if I could. However, this EULA, which is worse than the LucasArts EULA, might be the deal breaker. WB will monitor my PC? That should never happpen. Period. Oh well. I can just firewall the game so it can't transmit any data. But wait, then I would be breaking the EULA, so I can't play it.

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Cirevam

I think it was mentioned in Part 1 that reverse-engineering is legal. Also, unless it's an online multiplayer game, you can always unplug or turn your wireless off. No connection, no monitoring.

Unless it has always-online DRM, and in that case it's a dealbreaker.

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Phoenyx

This EULA breaks so many laws that protect the end user that the FBI needs to get involved. You think I should report Time Warner?

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McJobless

Because people care about the EULA.

I hate seeing companies who attempt to stop modding projects. I believe it stems from the fact that they don't want to have to get support emails from people who installed a mod which broke the game, probably because they installed it wrong, and the publisher/developer has no idea how to fix it. This is just sad.

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Cirevam

I didn't think of it like that, Extreme. But usually people who know how to look for mods are smart enough to come to the ones that made the mods instead of the company that made the game.

Usually.

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Cyrem

This EULA breaks so many laws that protect the end user that the FBI needs to get involved.

The people who broke laws to get the MU founder? then illegally took the HDD's back to America...? No, thats a terrible idea.

This is a limited license, most newer games use them... basically you only buy a license to "play" the game but you never own it. It's DRM on steroids. Some EULA's even say that if the company requests all copies around the world be returned to them (with or without reason), you MUST do it (and at your expense).

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Phoenyx

<p class='citation'>Phoenyx, on 06 October 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>This EULA breaks so many laws that protect the end user that the FBI needs to get involved.

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The people who broke laws to get the MU founder? then illegally took the HDD's back to America...? No, thats a terrible idea.

This is a limited license, most newer games use them... basically you only buy a license to "play" the game but you never own it. It's DRM on steroids. Some EULA's even say that if the company requests all copies around the world be returned to them (with or without reason), you MUST do it (and at your expense).

1. Yeah, the Megaupload case was bull, but I'm starting to think that whole thing was planned and funded by media companies (like Time Warner) who were afraid to lose their artists to a much more open-ended system. The FBI were probably just "doing their job" and caving into the media companies' control.

2. Understandable, but I'm pretty sure monitoring computer activity like that is still illegal. Small-time hackers get in trouble for that all the time, so why shouldn't big companies?

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IceHusky

Small-time hackers get in trouble for that all the time, so why shouldn't big companies?

The FBI were probably just "doing their job" and caving into the media companies' control.
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STUDZ

You know what? This may be me being narrow-minded, but This is what I think...

I don't know a SINGLE person who actually follows these laws in full... I mean, didn't Extreme find a way to mod some of the TT LEGO games?

Another thing, there are SO many people who break these rules that if they were actually enforced, there would be a crapton of people arrested for breaking the terms of agreement or whatever.

Basically, what I do is click "I have read and understood to the Terms of Agreement" with my fingers crossed behind my back. What can they do? It's the Internet!

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Addictgamer

This is why free software (as in freedom) is far superior. Commercial software steals all our rights.

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McJobless

Big companies won't get in trouble for any of their activities unless the masses are aware and call for action, and even then some backdoor dealing will probably result in the punishment being less serve than they deserve for their actions. Justice apparently doesn't apply when you have money.

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Leumeister

Phoenyx, on , said:

This EULA breaks so many laws that protect the end user that the FBI needs to get involved.

The people who broke laws to get the MU founder? then illegally took the HDD's back to America...? No, thats a terrible idea.

This is a limited license, most newer games use them... basically you only buy a license to "play" the game but you never own it. It's DRM on steroids. Some EULA's even say that if the company requests all copies around the world be returned to them (with or without reason), you MUST do it (and at your expense).

THAT'S TERRIBAD!!! IMO I do not agree!

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JrMasterModelBuilder

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Some EULA's even say that if the company requests all copies around the world be returned to them (with or without reason), you MUST do it (and at your expense).

I'd like to see them try to enfore that. Even if they could track down every person who ever purchased the game, what are they going to do? Sue everyone who doesn't comply? They'd go bankrupt trying.

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Phoenyx

<p class='citation'>Phoenyx, on 07 October 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Small-time hackers get in trouble for that all the time, so why shouldn't big companies?</div></div>

<p class='citation'>Phoenyx, on 07 October 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>The FBI were probably just "doing their job" and caving into the media companies' control.</div></div>

They would be doing their job too if they'd do something about it. Then again there's a reason why the FBI is nicknamed the "First Bunch of Idiots"...

I'd like to see them try to enfore that. Even if they could track down every person who ever purchased the game, what are they going to do? Sue everyone who doesn't comply? They'd go bankrupt trying.

The GMC EV-1 says hi from its automotive graveyard.

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LUModder

Hmm... So they know I am getting music for free :o (BTW, everyone here doesn't know what kind of music it is or hates it...)

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JrMasterModelBuilder

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IceHusky², on , said:

<p class='citation'>Phoenyx, on 07 October 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>Small-time hackers get in trouble for that all the time, so why shouldn't big companies?</div></div>

<p class='citation'>Phoenyx, on 07 October 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:</p><div class="blockquote"><div class='quote'>The FBI were probably just "doing their job" and caving into the media companies' control.</div></div>

They would be doing their job too if they'd do something about it. Then again there's a reason why the FBI is nicknamed the "First Bunch of Idiots"...

JrMasterModelBuilder, on , said:

I'd like to see them try to enfore that. Even if they could track down every person who ever purchased the game, what are they going to do? Sue everyone who doesn't comply? They'd go bankrupt trying.

The GMC EV-1 says hi from its automotive graveyard.

GMC could actually track them all down, there weren't very many, they were all in one area of California, and they were all leased so the had to keep track of who owned them.

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